How Specialized Models Drive Developer Productivity | Tabnine’s Brandon Jung

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A secret field that summons lightning. A massive spiral that disappears into a salt lake. A celestial observatory carved into a volcano. Meet the wild—and sometimes explosive—world of land art, where artists craft masterpieces with dynamite and bulldozers. In our Season 2 premiere, guest Dylan Thuras, cofounder of Atlas Obscura, takes us off road and into the minds of the artists who literally reshaped parts of the Southwest. These works aren’t meant to be easy to reach—or to explain—but they just might change how you see the world. Land art you’ll visit in this episode: - Double Negative and City by Michael Heizer (Garden Valley, Nevada) - Spiral Jetty by Robert Smithson (Great Salt Lake, Utah) - Sun Tunnels by Nancy Holt (Great Basin Desert, Utah) - Lightning Field by Walter De Maria (Catron County, New Mexico) - Roden Crater by James Turrell (Painted Desert, Arizona) Via Podcast is a production of AAA Mountain West Group.…

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What are the limitations of general large language models, and when should you evaluate more specialized models for your team’s most important use case?

This week, Conor Bronsdon sits down with Brandon Jung, Vice President of Ecosystem at Tabnine, to explore the difference between specialized models and LLMs. Brandon highlights how specialized models outperform LLMs when it comes to specific coding tasks, and how developers can leverage tailored solutions to improve developer productivity and code quality. The conversation covers the importance of data transparency, data origination, cost implications, and regulatory considerations such as the EU's AI Act.

Whether you're a developer looking to boost your productivity or an engineering leader evaluating solutions for your team, this episode offers important context on the next wave of AI solutions
Topics:

00:31 Specialized models vs. LLMs
01:56 The problems with LLMs and data integrity
12:34 Why AGI is further away than we think
16:11 Evaluating the right models for your engineering team
23:42 Is AI code secure?
26:22 How to adjust to work with AI effectively 32:48 Training developers in the new AI world

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How Specialized Models Drive Developer Productivity | Tabnine’s Brandon Jung

Dev Interrupted

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published about a year ago

MP3•Episode home

What are the limitations of general large language models, and when should you evaluate more specialized models for your team’s most important use case?

00:31 Specialized models vs. LLMs
01:56 The problems with LLMs and data integrity
12:34 Why AGI is further away than we think
16:11 Evaluating the right models for your engineering team
23:42 Is AI code secure?
26:22 How to adjust to work with AI effectively 32:48 Training developers in the new AI world

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Support the show:

Subscribe to our Substack
Leave us a review
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Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream
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#Tech #LinearB #Development #Software #Software Development #Data #Agile #DevOps

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Managing Developer Feedback Effectively | Atlassian’s Andrew Boyagi 41:48

18 weeks ago41:48

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19 weeks ago53:58

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Season 4 Finale: A Fond Farewell, What’s Next & Would You Rather 40:34

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Developer Productivity Will Decline in 2025 | Predictions from LinearB’s Ori Keren 38:26

23 weeks ago38:26

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2025 will test every assumption about how engineering teams work. With the new year fast approaching Ori Keren, CEO of LinearB, has some bold predictions that might surprise you, like why developer productivity could actually go down in 2025. Yep, you read that right. As AI tools flood the market, we might see a dip in both productivity and creativity before the long-term benefits kick in. It’s a wake-up call for engineering leaders to rethink how they lead their teams. Ori dives into the trends that’ll dominate: - AI’s rise - The ever-growing need for cybersecurity - Why DevEx and developer productivity are heading for a showdown His advice? Stop flying blind. “You can’t optimize what you don’t measure,” he says. If you’re leading an engineering org, this episode is your 2025 game plan: a mix of data-driven decision-making and people-first strategies to stay ahead in a year of change. Don’t miss this insightful fusion of qual and quant. Show Notes: Join us at Dev Interrupted Live! 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Insights Webinar Follow Ori Follow Ben Follow Andrew Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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From Rockets to Roadmaps: An Engineer's Guide to Product Success | Sift Stack’s Austin Spiegel 28:51

24 weeks ago28:51

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What’s the secret to building better products? Letting engineers drive the vision. This week, host Ben Lloyd Pearson interviews Austin Spiegel, co-founder and CTO of Sift Stack, who previously spent years leading engineering teams at SpaceX. Austin reveals how SpaceX's unique engineering culture, which eliminated the product management layer, influenced his approach to building Sift Stack, including the implementation of a forward-deployed engineering team. Learn how this approach leads to faster development cycles, happier customers, and more innovative products. Austin also argues that we're entering a new era where the most valuable engineers aren't just skilled coders, but also savvy business thinkers. He believes that as software development becomes easier due to the proliferation of AI, engineers who can connect their technical expertise with a deep understanding of customer needs and market trends will have a significant competitive advantage. Show Notes: 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Insights Webinar Read The secret to better products? Let engineers drive vision Follow Sift Stack on LinkedIn Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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From Fear to Function: Rethinking Engineering Processes | Stytch’s Julianna Lamb 25:28

25 weeks ago25:28

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Most developers (ourselves included) want to run for the hills when they hear the words “engineering process.” But it turns out, the biggest danger to your team may not be having enough process. You don’t have to take our word for it. This week’s guest made a believer out of us and we’re willing to bet she’ll make a believer out of you too. Julianna Lamb, co-founder and CTO of Stytch, understands that engineering processes can be a sensitive subject for developers. But she argues that the right amount of process can actually boost your team's velocity and empower them to take ownership. Julianna shares insights on how to right-size processes for teams, implement effective project life cycles, and address friction points to ensure smooth workflows. Show Notes: Refactoring x Dev Interrupted Survey Learn more about Stytch Julianna’s LinkedIn Julianna’s Twitter Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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Are Only 20% of Devs Happy? | Stack Overflow’s Erin Yepis 45:49

26 weeks ago45:49

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This week, Dev Interrupted dives into the 2024 Stack Overflow Developer Survey, revealing a surprising statistic: only 1 in 5 developers are happy in their jobs. Stack Overflow's Senior Analyst of Market Research and Insights, Erin Yepis, joins host Ben Lloyd Pearson to discuss the survey's findings and explore the reasons behind this widespread dissatisfaction. From salary woes and workplace settings to the ever-present burden of technical debt, they dissect the factors impacting developer happiness. Later, Dan Lines offers his perspective, drawing on LinearB's data to pinpoint three key challenges to developer satisfaction. He also shares valuable strategies for tackling technical debt, a growing concern as more companies transform into software-driven businesses. Show Notes: 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Insights Webinar Refactoring x Dev Interrupted Survey 2024 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Check out Erin’s blog Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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Making Sense of Agentic AI | ThoughtWorks Birgitta Boeckeler 47:40

27 weeks ago47:40

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There’s AI agents. There’s AI tooling. Do either drive business impact or are they just more things your dev team is supposed to stay on top of? Birgitta Boeckeler, Global Lead for AI Assisted Software Delivery at ThoughtWorks, joins the show to discuss the practical applications of AI in software delivery. She shares her research on AI agents, highlights areas where AI hasn't lived up to the hype, and offers concrete examples of useful AI tools for development teams. Dan Lines then joins the conversation to provide his perspective on how engineering leaders can leverage these insights to effectively implement AI within their own teams. He also discusses LinearB's efforts in helping software teams measure the business impact of AI. Show Notes: 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Insights Webinar Refactoring x Dev Interrupted Survey Birgitta’s LinkedIn Birgitta’s website Martin Fowler Memos Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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Open Source Meets AI | Red Hat's Scott McCarty 45:38

28 weeks ago45:38

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Open source has transformed software development, but can it do the same for AI? In this episode of Dev Interrupted, Conor Bronsdon talks with Scott McCarty, Senior Principal Product Manager at Red Hat, about the potential of open source AI to revolutionize enterprise DevOps. They discuss the challenges and opportunities of open source AI, including licensing, security, and the need for community-driven development. McCarty argues that open source AI is crucial for building trust and ensuring that AI benefits everyone, not just a select few. Show Notes: 2025 Engineering Benchmarks Insights Webinar Refactoring x Dev Interrupted Survey Scott’s LinkedIn Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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Back to First Principles | Productiv CTO Ashish Aggarwal 38:45

29 weeks ago38:45

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Everyone knows the era of growth at all costs is over, but where does that leave us? And specifically, where does that leave founders? The answer is straightforward: founders have to start thinking like business people. This week, Conor Bronsdon interviews Ashish Aggarwal, founder and CTO of Productive and an active investor in over 30 companies. Ashish shares his insights on how startups are adapting to the new “efficient growth” environment, why this paradigm shift is an opportunity for founders, and how the pressures of efficiency have created incentives for companies to move towards geo-distributed teams instead of co-located teams. Show Notes: Refactoring x Dev Interrupted Survey Ashish’s LinkedIn 2024 State of SaaS Consolidation Report Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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The Real Measure of Success in Platform Engineering | MassDriver CEO Cory O'Daniel 45:04

30 weeks ago45:04

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It’s time we recognize the idea of a ‘Golden Path’ is unrealistic. In this episode of Dev Interrupted, host Dan Lines is joined by Cory O'Daniel, CEO of MassDriver, to discuss Cory’s provocative article 'DevOps is Bullshit'. They cover the pitfalls of DevOps, the evolution of cloud operations and whether or not platform engineering is the solution the industry needs . Cory shares insights on why many organizations struggle with DevOps implementation, the impact of cloud technology on traditional operations, and how internal developer platforms are reshaping the industry. Topics: 01:03 Where has DevOps gone wrong? 04:19 Have we changed or does DevOps mean something different? 11:51 Platform engineering in 2024 20:10 How can platform engineering leaders measure success? 26:40 Why are new hires being put in charge of DevOps? 29:53 Getting buy in for a better platform engineering experience 39:13 Are internal developer platforms a fad? Show Notes: Refactoring x Dev Interrupted Survey Cory O'Daniel Massdriver - Standardize Infrastructure | Enhance Developer Experience | Enable Self-Service Cory O’Daniel k8s/acc (@coryodaniel) / X DevOps is Bullshit Bridging Cloud Talent Gap Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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Transforming Customer Support with AI | DevRev’s Co-founder & CEO Dheeraj Pandey 49:52

31 weeks ago49:52

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This week, host Conor Bronsdon chats with Dheeraj Pandey, CEO and co-founder of DevRev. Dheeraj shares his incredible journey from leading Nutanix to a valuation of $16 billion, to now striving to build another unicorn with DevRev. Dheeraj opens up about the lessons learned from his entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the significance of having a holistic approach to building products and companies. He explores how his experiences at Nutanix have shaped his vision at DevRev, especially in terms of integrating AI as a core component rather than a mere add-on. The discussion also covers a range of topics including the transformative power of AI in business operations, customer-centric design, and the importance of balancing innovative technology with intuitive user experience. Topics: 02:49 What inspired you to start DevRev? 08:38 How did you decide not to take a bolt on approach to AI? 11:30 What can other entrepreneurs learn from you about levelling up their abilities? 16:42 How are you approaching scaling up DevRel? 28:11 How is DevRev thinking about AI driven design? 44:52 What's happening with DevRev's leadership in AI? Links: Dheeraj Pandey Dheeraj Pandey Dheeraj Pandey (@dheeraj) / X DevRev (@devrev) Dheeraj Pandey Download the Engineering Leader’s Guide to Accelerating Developer Productivity Unified Support Opening Windows Founder Mode Overcoming Growth Crises Zanzibar: Google’s Consistent, Global Authorization System Support the show: Subscribe to our Substack Leave us a review Subscribe on YouTube Follow us on Twitter or LinkedIn Offers: Learn about Continuous Merge with gitStream Get your DORA Metrics free forever…

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Observability as a Success Catalyst | Momento’s Co-Founder & CTO Daniela Miao 42:05

32 weeks ago42:05